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| Topic Started: Thursday, 28. June 2012, 11:49 (394 Views) | |
| Stacha | Thursday, 28. June 2012, 11:49 Post #1 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/politics/supreme-court-health-ruling/index.html What are your thoughts on this? I have to admit, I don't know as much about Obamacare as I should, and will be reading up on it before I make a decision. |
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| Geoffrey | Thursday, 28. June 2012, 11:53 Post #2 |
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I'm not really familiar with it all, it's a huge bill with so many parts, but I think the court made the right decision based on what I've heard and the laws in place. The biggest issue has been can the government require (and penalize those that don't) people to have medical insurance? Basically, with the congressional power to tax, they do have the power. But when Obama was pushing for the bill to become a law in the beginning, he said it wasn't a tax. And now it's being used as a tax to keep it standing. More two-facedism in politics, not surprising, but still interesting to think about. |
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| Stacha | Thursday, 28. June 2012, 11:56 Post #3 |
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I mean, I expected a tax. The government can't afford to just provide healthcare for everyone, it needs to come out of taxes. But on the surface, I know I'd rather pay a little extra in taxes and know that if I get sick, I'll be taken care of, rather than have medical expenses weighing on my mind on top of everything else. |
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| Geoffrey | Thursday, 28. June 2012, 12:02 Post #4 |
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No, they're calling the penalty for not getting this health coverage a "tax". At least, that's how I understand it and that's what the news has been inferring. |
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| Stacha | Thursday, 28. June 2012, 12:06 Post #5 |
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I was just reading the wiki page on it but have yet to come to that part. |
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| Ferus Grim | Friday, 29. June 2012, 00:48 Post #6 |
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Yes. Because we're not in enough debt, already. Let's give EVERYONE health insurance. There's something called 'MediCare', that's government funded, but has requirements to get on it. Those requirements are there for a reason. We didn't need 'ObamaCare' to just take those requirements away (which is a horrid mistake, in and of itself). |
 
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| Geoffrey | Friday, 29. June 2012, 09:02 Post #7 |
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Medicare is only for 65 years and up, more people besides that age bracket need health coverage. The people on Medicare aren't the problem, because as you said, they've had coverage for years. It's everyone else from the time you leave your parents insurance as a young adult (now raised to age 26), up through age 64 that is the problem and I really hope this does help the situation. Romney is already saying he's going to get it repealed. So if you don't like it, vote for him.  Just remember that he has a history of being two-faced. |
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| Bluezone777 | Friday, 29. June 2012, 09:11 Post #8 |
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It is also for those who have been listed as disabled regardless of age by a doctor. Just pointing out a small error but you still have a point though. Right now, most go to emergency rooms regardless of whether it's an emergency due to not needing to have to pay for it. This will let people be able to pay for doctor visits and leave the emergency room for actual emergencies like it should be. |
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| Geoffrey | Friday, 29. June 2012, 09:22 Post #9 |
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Well, in Indiana, disabled people go on Medicaid (a state ran insurance, Medicare is federal), so I was only speaking based on what my state does as that's the only one I'm familiar with. Regardless, there are lot of people who are between ages 26 and 64 that aren't disabled that need insurance and with people losing their jobs a lot more now, they're also losing insurance. I'm sure there are some down sides to this, but honestly, I've yet to hear them. Republicans are against it, but they've yet to say why they're against it other than a partisan support reason which isn't a reason. lol. |
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| Bluezone777 | Friday, 29. June 2012, 09:47 Post #10 |
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I am pretty sure the only reason they are against it is because the law was put through by a Democrat. It seems the Republicans just can't stand the thought of a democrat doing anything regardless of whether they actually feel it's a good idea or not. It's honestly grown annoying and is hampering this country from doing what it needs to do for its people. |
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| Geoffrey | Friday, 29. June 2012, 09:52 Post #11 |
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Yep, partisan support. I can guarantee if Romney is elected and does manage to get rid of Obamacare, he'll have his own Romneycare and the Democrats will hate it even if it only changed minor things that really don't matter. It's sad, tbh. As Obama said in his address yesterday after the court decision, this isn't about the election, or partisanship, it's about the people and giving the people something they desperately need. That man is a great speaker if he's anything at all. |
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| Stacha | Friday, 29. June 2012, 10:52 Post #12 |
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Ironically, Romney's health care proposal and Obama's proposal are virtually the exact same bill. Like you guys said, the main issue that most people seem to have is that it was Obama, a democrat, who proposed the Bill and got it passed. As a whole I've only seen Obama supporters in favor of the bill and Romney supporters against. Of the mountain of posts on my news feed a single Democrat has disagreed with the bill and a single Republican agree with it. If Romney were elected and Romneycare passed, I would wager almost anything that Republicans would blindly agree with it and Democrats blindly disagree. It's all to do with party prejudices. The overwhelming majority of people don't care what is passed, they only care who passed it. Of course that doesn't apply to everyone, but it's my observation. I'm guilty of it too; immediately I'm inclinded to support Obamacare because I support Obama and the idea of universal health care. On the surface, all seems well to me. But I won't say I actually support or don't support it until I understand exactly what it means for this country. |
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| M.o.D | Friday, 29. June 2012, 17:08 Post #13 |
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Comprehensive List of Tax Hikes in Obamacare http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758 soon we'll be paying with our blood |
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| Ferus Grim | Friday, 29. June 2012, 17:58 Post #14 |
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I meant Medicaid. ;D |
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| James Lu | Friday, 29. June 2012, 22:59 Post #15 |
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Honestly nationalised health care is a good thing, it's worked in the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada... people using arguments like, "Why should I pay for Joe Schmuck's healthcare?" fail to realise that when they're in a dire situation Joe Schmuck is actually contributing to the fund that will save their life. It's not going to create debt and will mean people can actually see a doctor without needing actual money on hand. |
  
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| NuclearWarlord | Saturday, 30. June 2012, 17:03 Post #16 |
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Over three-fourths of doctors surveyed said that they will deny all patients with government healthcare and if this is not possible then they will shut down their practices. This law is essentially a loss for us all. It's going to bankrupt insurance companies. And James Lu, the only reason that it works in foreign nations is because you have the English Rule, which prevents you from doing stuff like suing your doctor for giving you the lifesaving surgery, because you had some sort of disbenefit or pain from its aftereffects. |
| Stacha | Saturday, 30. June 2012, 17:13 Post #17 |
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Then those are pretty terrible people. A doctor is supposed to treat the sick; refusing to treat patients because they have government health care shows a severe lack of ethics, and they should be ashamed of themselves. Period. It doesn't matter if it's government health care or not; if you're a doctor, you have a moral obligation to treat the sick and injured. Bottom line. |
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| Geoffrey | Saturday, 30. June 2012, 17:56 Post #18 |
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Let them shut down their practices, they're the ones losing money. They have to work, and after spending so much time and money getting a medical license, why would they give it up over political reasons? They're being selfish and irrational, and I highly doubt that the majority of doctors would do that. |
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| Bluezone777 | Saturday, 30. June 2012, 20:13 Post #19 |
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People will talk a lot of shit when they don't think they will have to put their money where their mouth is. I imagine many of the people who voted that won't go through with it because they are just throwing around empty threats. They took an oath to do no harm and by denying someone medical care is doing harm whether you like it or not. No one should have their financial life completely ruined due to illness. The fact that it happens is a clear sign that we pay way too much for our healthcare. |
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| James Lu | Sunday, 1. July 2012, 08:45 Post #20 |
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@NuclearWarlord: What on earth are you talking about? Patients are allowed to sue their doctors for any form of mistreatment, malpractice or extreme discomfort, particularly during complex operations. If the anaesthesiologist forgot to administer anaesthetic to me in a 3 hour surgery, I have every right to take legal action. So let's just clear that fallacious argument. These doctors fail to realise that the money in the healthcare fund IS their payment and honestly what sort of excuses for humans are these miserable fish-guts if they so seek to deny a basic right? That's absolutely disgusting. |
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