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| Sage | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 11:44 Post #1 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/amanda-todd-suicide-bullying_n_1959909.html Amanda Todd committed suicide because she couldn't live with the consequences of her actions -- some would say bullying. That term has been the word of the year, it seems. So, do you think bullying is acceptable? |
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| Ukitake | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 12:23 Post #2 |
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Why is it every where I go I keep seeing this stuff. Not to be mean but Please people stop posting about a person you dont know in real life. Im tired of seeing this. |
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| tokyodrift | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 12:31 Post #3 |
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Other people might not have seen this. This forum isn't here to exclusively cater to your needs, dear. 
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| Geoffrey | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 13:02 Post #4 |
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I think the fact that you keep seeing it shows how much of a problem it is. Even with the word being spread, people still bully and push others to this sort of extreme. I find your comment extremely insensitive. So what if we don't know her in real life? I don't know you, or anyone else here, in real life, so I should just say screw you and not care about what's happening to anyone here? Anyways, as for the OP, it's quite sad that another life has been taken as a result of bullying. Something needs to be done, but I'm honestly not sure what. |
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| Bluezone777 | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 13:11 Post #5 |
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Bullying has been going on long before I was born and I am 29. People act like it's a new thing when it hardly is. Expecting others to change or for others to do something will always lead to disappointment. If you want to deal with such an issue then you deal with it inward by taking care of yourself and getting help so you can fend off bullying and learn to handle it rather then waiting for a school system and a government that's far too busy doing nothing to care. I think the presence of the internet makes it look like it's more common now but I have the feeling this has been going on before the net existed as it was just harder for news to spread as I doubt anything outside of local news would report on such a news story before the net existed. Another issue which I think needs to be addressed is parents need to sit down and have the talk about the net and what it is all about so they know just what they are doing when they post something. |
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| Geoffrey | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 13:17 Post #6 |
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Just because something has been around for a long time doesn't mean it can't change. Slavery was around for over a hundred years (and more if you go into ancient times) and now it's illegal in the vast majority of the world. If we accepted slavery just because it was a long existent entity, we would still have it today. Things change, whether you or anyone else likes it or not, and sometimes it takes several years to get that change. The key thing is to not give up. 
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| Madyy | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 13:27 Post #7 |
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The sad thing is that you'd think that this would make people stop bullying, but it won't. Teenagers commit suicide every day as a result from bullying, but it really doesn't stop anything. People are cruel. Sure, things like this will make some people realize that their words hurt, but others won't care. People are still hating on this girl even after she's killed herself. There's not really much you can do when someone gets a thrill from hurting others. |
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| Sage | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 15:06 Post #8 |
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I think you misunderstand. I'm asking if you think bullying is acceptable. The scenarios and situations all change, so there's no real definitive answer -- it can be bad and it can be good, or rather neutral. Bullying has been around for quite a long time. It takes multiple forms and is often regarded differently for each one. Take the Amanda Todd case, for example. She was bullied because of her actions, not her skin color, gender, or aspect she had no control over. She chose to flash her chest to someone she didn't know online, and what happened afterward is a result of that. She's 15 though, a child to most, so many people want to jump to her aid and defend her at all costs. Then you've got the situation with Sasha Grey, an ex-porn actress. She decided to pursue academic endeavors after leaving the porn industry, specifically reading to elementary school children. As you might assume, the parents of those children weren't too thrilled. They raised a rather big fuss over it, all because of Sasha's past actions. Both examples of bullying, both as a result of the "victims'" actions. So I ask you, is bullying acceptable? The same parents who may have thrown a fit over an ex-porn actress reading to their children would likely have gone to extreme lengths to punish the children who bullied Amanda Todd. Do you think that's alright? Do you think it's acceptable? Edited by Sage, Sunday, 14. October 2012, 15:07.
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| Dragon Lord | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 16:58 Post #9 |
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Just because it was made illegal doesn't mean that every person out there thinks it's wrong and doesn't want to enslave other people. Human trafficking is a huge problem in the world today, for example. So even though slavery is illegal, doesn't mean it doesn't exist in some form. Bullying is the same way. It will always exist in some form. |
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| Geoffrey | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 17:06 Post #10 |
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The point is we've come a long way and if we just accepted it because it had been around for a long time by the time it was abolished, it would be a lot worse than it is today. |
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| Dragon Lord | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 18:25 Post #11 |
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My point was that just because it was made illegal doesn't mean it's not still there. I never said I think we should have just accepted it because it had been there for so long. All I said was that it still existed in some form. Because as you said...
So, my point was that even though we don't accept slavery, doesn't mean it doesn't exist in some way. You never said anything about it not being as bad as it once was. Anyways. In this case of this story, I'm not sure I can feel too bad for her. She brought this upon herself. It was stupid of her to expose herself to a completely random stranger. Sure, it's sad that she killed herself, but she should have known better than to be showing a complete stranger on the internet that sort of stuff. |
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| Stacha | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 18:35 Post #12 |
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I think she deserves ALL the sympathy in the world. She was twelve. She didn't bring this upon herself, she made a mistake. She was stalked, harrassed, beaten, and threatened. making a mistake doesn't mean that you should be condemned for those actions; she needed to be protected and given a chance to grow from her mistakes. Instead she was driven to the point of committing suicide. Bullying and bullies absolutely disgust me. Yes, it won't ever be completely eradicated because bad people simply exist. But actions can be taken, especially in the home. When I'm a mother, my kids will know from the start that bullying is unacceptable. If I find out that they've bullied someone, you can be certain that they won't do it a second time. Parents need to get involved, not write it off as, "Kids will be kids!" |
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| Steven | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 18:50 Post #13 |
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A lot of people make mistakes, and while hers was stupid, yes, your saying since she made this mistake, she should suffer the highest bit of punishment possible? No. The point is, is bullying will go places and yeah it can be hard, but she took every measure to avoid her past and stop letting people get to her, but her case was so severe, that no matter where she went, that one mistake followed her. She didn't pull many mistakes out her ass, she made a small mistake, as a not even teenage girl, and this brought her to such a huge consequence. Why? People have sooo many problems. Every one has something they've done in their past that they would love to go back and change, but we don't have that power. So after you make one mistake as a human, people push it on you to feel better about themselves. They bully this person until they can't anymore. They milked this poor girl of all of her happiness, to where the only end she could see was death. She may have made a mistake, but to not feel bad for her is inhumane. This world is falling apart as we know it. Look at where the world was at, and now look what it is. Look at the music that our parents' generation was listening to, that had meaning behind every word, then look at the classic music of our time, that's only story is about money, hoes, and weed. Back in our parents' generation, bullying didn't have a way to spread THIS far, but with the technology that is out now, it's become a bigger problem because of e-mail and text messaging. Think about where our children will be when we have them. Double this pain that Amanda has gone through, where even the innocent kids can become victims at any time. Oh and everyone, bullying is illegal. Lets get that straight lol. In almost every country, just how slavery is illegal, abuse is illegal as well. Or at least, in all even partially developed countries. /rant Your friend, The Anti-Bully. |
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| Stacha | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 19:00 Post #14 |
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I just really want to know why the authorities never got involved. She was being stalked and harassed in every sense of the word. If the guy who had the photo had been arrested, this might not have followed her the way it did and she might have been able to start fresh. |
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| Dragon Lord | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 23:11 Post #15 |
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I'm not saying I have absolutely no sympathy for her, or that she deserved any form of punishment, just that I can't feel as sympathetic for her as others do because she's the one who chose to do what she did. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but there is a difference between honest mistakes and stupid ones. Being twelve years old and exposing yourself to some stranger online is not an honest mistake, it's a stupid one. Some people might think I'm a heartless asshole for not feeling as sympathetic for her as they do, but oh well. |
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| Maddie | Sunday, 14. October 2012, 23:19 Post #16 |
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I don't think bullying is acceptable at all. I mean, if you have to make someone feel bad just to make yourself feel better, I feel bad for you. Your life must suck that bad if you have to make someone else's life a living hell. Sure what she did was kind of stupid, but hey, you don't know what it's like to be in her position and you have no right to judge at all. Every suicide is a tragedy and should be acknowledged. I think it could of been avoidable if the people bullying her weren't such low life assholes by getting pleasure out of her pain. I don't think it was right of the guy to go around and send the photo all around school or wherever it was sent. He should of just let it go and moved on. Anyway, I think the people saying she's stupid for doing it or cowardly for killing herself must of never been bullied or not that severely. Everyone takes different things different ways, and she just couldn't live with it. And people saying she deserved it is just...astounding to me, because that's just...inhumane. She made a mistake. Everyone makes them, and she shouldn't had to of been reminded of it everyday when she was bullied. If I see someone being bullied, you bet your ass I would be up in their face shooting smart ass comments back. I was bullied myself, so I know how it feels. 
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| Ukitake | Monday, 15. October 2012, 05:29 Post #17 |
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I understand you concern. People tried to bully me well one guy in high school but didnt end well for him because I dont take disrespect from no one. Sure got suspended but who cares. Point being is Yes its ok to spread the word i was just stating its already everywhere. If you want to spread the word spread it about more then one person. There are more people ho have suicides to bullying but get no recognition. So why not try to shine some light onto the still no popular ones while others make it popular so others can see it more on a broad horizon. |
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| Steven | Monday, 15. October 2012, 07:34 Post #18 |
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While I see you intended well on your reply, you're not seeing this topic as what it really is. A true discussion based of bullying that was enlightened to be started and discussed with this young lady's story as an example. I hate to call it an example, but it's the most recent and easily the most well explained article that has to do with the problem of bullying and what some people go through. |
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| Stacha | Monday, 15. October 2012, 10:08 Post #19 |
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The discussion is about bullying, not Amanda Todd directly. It was her story that brought about the discussion; we're talking about bullying and its potential consequences in general. |
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| Bluezone777 | Thursday, 18. October 2012, 11:22 Post #20 |
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That's just the thing. We all know this person who was bullied . They just go by different names and have different faces but where it counts, it's all the same. We all know that one who got bullied, who got harassed because they were different or happen to screw up their life in someway. Sometimes that person was ourselves but at some point the paths diverged and while one takes the path that leads to suicide, the other takes the path that leads to the strength and courage to rise above the small people who try to tear down that who is different from them. In the end, we realize that we are all different and all screwed up at some point along the way. When you can realize that is when you find it easier to forgive others for their mistakes because you would really want them to do the same for you. The things that make you different might vary from person to person and the mistakes you made might vary from person to person but has that really changed anything? I don't know if my earlier posts were taken as we should accept this as it isn't the case at all. The point I make is that you can't expect others to tear you from the path that leads to your own destruction. We can show the path that leads to courage and strength which we can lead you to it but it's up to you to take that path. We can't make you take it no matter how much we want to. |
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