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Elementary School Shooting Kills ~30 People
Topic Started: Friday, 14. December 2012, 17:10 (1,337 Views)
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school.html?_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/police-respond-to-shooting-at-connecticut-elementary-school/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/27-people-dead-children-connecticut-school-gunman-dead/story?id=17973836#.UMuUZm-umtY

It's crazy. We've heard about shootings at higher schools like High Schools and Colleges - but this is something completely different. These are 2nd graders, 3rd graders, 4th graders, etc. It's always a tragedy when a public place is made a victim, but this just seems especially terrible.

I'm not even sure how to begin to comprehend how someone does something like this - how do you justify taking the lives of so many children who haven't even gotten the opportunity to experience more than a few years of life? As a parent, how do you deal with either your child being taken by someone like this or explaining to your child how to deal with a scenario such as this? As a community and a culture, how do we go about ensuring that something like this can never happen again?
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Just heard about this a little while ago, it's terrible :( I definitely thought about the same things. I don't understand how someone could even think about doing such a terrible thing. It makes no sense to me. It's just one of those things were the human mind literally goes psychotic. I mean, what can you do when a person just snaps and goes on a shooting spree. Just why kill the kids? I mean they didn't do anything.
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I really haven't got anything to say except that this just breaks my heart again and again. It's too horrible.
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Friday, 14. December 2012, 17:18
I really haven't got anything to say except that this just breaks my heart again and again. It's too horrible.
Pretty much. It's a truly tragic event.
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Animals do this a lot, actually, and humans are still animals. Sometimes a switch just goes off in the wrong place at the wrong time, and this is what happens.
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I'm deeply sadden for our country and for the families of Sandy Hook. I can't believe such a thing would occur, young children killed. I have nothing to say but hope that man rots in hell. God bless.

I just read on the Washington Post that a local NBC station news reporter said "I am ashamed to be an American." shocking ...
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Friday, 14. December 2012, 17:34
Animals do this a lot, actually, and humans are still animals. Sometimes a switch just goes off in the wrong place at the wrong time, and this is what happens.
We're much more developed than any other animal. Using "we are animals" as any sort of relieving factor or understanding to this tragedy, is stupid.

It's pretty simple what's going on. This world has always been like this, sadly. But recently, the world has been going more and more psychotic. Be it drugs, a mass murder spree of many simply enjoying a movie, or even in this case, taking the lives of those with no chance to live. Kids simply going to school to get an education and their lives are taken for it?
Yes, a switch goes off, but there's not one part of the human brain that can go wrong at such an immediate moment to make someone who isn't crazy want to lives of so many, being kids as well.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families affected by such tragedy.
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This is simply just tragic. I cannot understand why people would do such things? What is the purpose for these things?
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Friday, 14. December 2012, 18:45
This is simply just tragic. I cannot understand why people would do such things? What is the purpose for these things?
Hard to tell when the shooter takes his own life. Such senseless violence, I just wish people cared more about each other than themselves. 2 weeks away from Christmas .. god.
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Friday, 14. December 2012, 18:16
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Friday, 14. December 2012, 17:34
Animals do this a lot, actually, and humans are still animals. Sometimes a switch just goes off in the wrong place at the wrong time, and this is what happens.
We're much more developed than any other animal. Using "we are animals" as any sort of relieving factor or understanding to this tragedy, is stupid.
Oh, it wasn't meant as any sort of relieving factor. And it's not stupid. Humans are animals, and animals are chaotic by nature -- especially the "much more developed" ones.
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This is asinine ridiculous. I can't imagine being the parent of one of those poor children. If this doesn't change anything in regards to gun control or the likes, I don't know what will. I don't want to make this political, but for God's sake, when are we going to learn? How many innocent lives is it going to take before action is taken? Compare the amount of mental instability in our country (and world) to the current legislation regarding guns. It's just not right. Concealed carry my ass, a gun is a gun.

My mother is a kindergarten teacher as well. Her particular program, which she loves very much, is meant for young children who have younger parents - many of whom are often involved with drugs and gangs. She's always telling stories about how some of the kids come in smelling like pot, others whose mugshots can be seen on the news, and more. Her worst fear is having a student or even one of the troubled parents commit a crime such as this. She's literally had dreams about it. Her assistant teachers have dreamt the very same thing, especially considering the nature of the parents. They have not practiced a lockdown drill this entire year, at least on a school-wide scale.

Am I worried about a school shooting at my high school? The thought is always in the back of my mind. It's not that I live in fear of having a shooting happen at my school, it's the fact that I constantly see the opportunity. My school has extremely limited security. Here's an example of what I mean. In our cafeteria, near the main area where you get you food, there is a door that goes directly outside to an area near a dumpster. This door is always, always left propped open in plain sight. It would be so very easy to pull in the back, go through the open door, and light up the entire cafeteria. I'm seriously considering meeting with one of the administrators, because in all honesty, the opportunity is enormous. If some psychopath with a gun is as observant as I am on a normal basis, it would be easy to pull a stunt like this. We have one police officer for the entire school, but we frequently do lockdown drills.

I don't know what else to say. I'm disgusted and completely disheartened. I know there are plenty of physco kids at my school who would be entirely capable of getting guns if their careless, cowardly hearts ever desired. Everything is always so unexpected, unfortunately.

If you have some down time, I highly recommend watching a movie titled Bang Bang You're Dead. This will give you a clear perspective on school shootings. My school showed the movie to every eighth-grade student in health class a number of years ago. Truly, truly scary concept and possibility as a whole.
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I just keep thinking about this.

Just so terrible.
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When guns are made so easily accessible to everyone, this is the result. It's sad, but this is the world we live in today, there's no way around it.
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Saturday, 29. December 2012, 14:26
When guns are made so easily accessible to everyone, this is the result. It's sad, but this is the world we live in today, there's no way around it.
There are plenty of measures that can be taken to try and prevent something like this, but the conservative right gets all riled up. Whenever someone tries to impose gun laws or more control, there is a large majority that will not be happy. However--now more than ever--the majority of Americans want to see stricter gun control.

It's just a matter of whether that will help. :(
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There needs to be stricter gun laws. When someone can so easily get an assault rifle, something is seriously wrong. The average citizen does not need a damn assault rifle.

Of course, we could always go the brilliant way of the NRA: " The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun."
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Saturday, 29. December 2012, 14:26
When guns are made so easily accessible to everyone, this is the result. It's sad, but this is the world we live in today, there's no way around it.
The argument that the right/far right make about the availability of guns and their great numbers in the US not being the issue is absurd but Fareed Zakaria said it very well recently.

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/2012/dec/25/zakaria-the-solution-to-gun-violence-is-clear/

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NEW YORK -- Announcing Wednesday that he would send proposals on reducing gun violence in America to Congress, President Obama mentioned a number of sensible gun-control measures. But he also paid homage to the Washington conventional wisdom about the many and varied causes of this calamity -- from mental health issues to school safety. His spokesman, Jay Carney, had said earlier that this is "a complex problem that will require a complex solution." Gun control, Carney added, is far from the only answer.

In fact, the problem is not complex, and the solution is blindingly obvious.

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Instead, why not have government do something much simpler and that has proved successful: limit access to guns. And not another toothless ban, which the gun lobby would use to "prove" that such bans don't reduce violence.

A few hours before the Newtown murders last week, a man entered a school in China's Henan province. Obviously mentally disturbed, he tried to kill children. But the only weapon he was able to get was a knife. Although 23 children were injured, not one died.

The problems that produced the Newtown massacre are not complex, nor are the solutions. We do not lack for answers.

What we lack in America today is courage.

The school shooting was shocking because of the ages or the victims, they were mostly 6 year olds and their last moments on the earth were sheer terror, almost all were shot multiple times and they saw their friends get shot and die. That is a horrible way to die. Their families will never recover entirely. I hope that because o the shocking nature of the shooting, it makes people act. Lots of politicians see no need to change any laws regarding guns, they should be run out of office when the time is right.
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The last thing anyone should want is for people to act based purely on the emotions of the moment. It always leads to unintended problems that might be as bad if not worse then the problem they are trying to solve.

I really don't think there is a clear cut answer that anyone can and I expect this shooting like so many others to fade from memory with nothing changing anywhere. We just don't have a clear cut answer we can get everyone on board in the public as well as in congress. A honest discussion that puts new options on the table rather then rehashing the same few solutions would be nice but it doesn't seem anyone is really interested in that. You aren't going to get any gun control laws passed and far too many believe that more guns is bad so that won't go through either. Our government is far too busy doing nothing and has been for a while now.
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Saturday, 29. December 2012, 14:48
There needs to be stricter gun laws. When someone can so easily get an assault rifle, something is seriously wrong. The average citizen does not need a damn assault rifle.

Of course, we could always go the brilliant way of the NRA: " The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun."
That's what I'M saying! I don't see anything wrong with handguns and such being legal - even rifles, for hunters. But there is NO REASON for a private citizen to own an assault rife.
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I've been loving the stance Pierce Morgan has been taking on gun laws. More guns is not the answer.

Anyone see that they had some RPG's turned in to the LA police? How the hell do you get your paws on US-made RPGs?
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