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| Chris. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 13:47 Post #41 |
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Im still holding this as a very elaborate prank between the administration of all three forums. This announcement could have been made any day, why April Fool's when you know its going to be met with questionable people |
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| Geoffrey | Monday, 1. April 2013, 13:48 Post #42 |
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I agree. And to add on, you say this will help the ZB community. There's won't be a ZB community to help if this happens and ZN continues to absorb larger boards into themselves. How can a service thrive if it continues to take over the boards that become successes? |
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| Nicolas | Monday, 1. April 2013, 13:49 Post #43 |
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Because Stephen is evil. |
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| Chris. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 13:51 Post #44 |
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Exactly xD |
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| Geoffrey | Monday, 1. April 2013, 13:52 Post #45 |
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The same was said last year when ZN announced the ZNR/Support merge. It was fake the year before, but it was indeed true last year (though it took over 6 months to complete). I would love to think it's all a hoax, but given the history of this network, I'd rather speak out against it now than wait and be sorry later. Not that my and others' opposition to this will do any good. |
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| StephenZB | Monday, 1. April 2013, 14:19 Post #46 |
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I'm afraid many would disagree with your statement about no community. As far as ruining outline and its community, that's the same hyperbole that happens every time a major change occurs. If I had a dollar for every time someone claimed the latest announcement made would ruin .... , I would be able to live very, very comfortably. I'm afraid I don't share the end of days sentiment and my sympathy for that line of thinking is long gone. Rather, I challenge those upset, like I challenged the ZNR members, to work with us instead of against us so that all parties benefit in the long run. At the end of the day, our goal is to make things easier for our customers. One stop shopping, larger staff, a more active community - I fail to see how these are bad things. You need only look at the network and the internet itself to see that evolving and adapting is necessary for continued growth. If you plan to dig your heels in and wish for everything to stay just the way it was, you'll be rather upset when the world passes by and Outline is stuck in the past. That's what happened to ZNR. Don't let it happen to Outline or Antiquus. |
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| Seraphim | Monday, 1. April 2013, 14:22 Post #47 |
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What do you think people go to first when they want a theme for their board? The support board? Or Outline? Being new to ZB, how is anybody supposed to know what Outline is, or where to find it, outside of random theme copyrights, or the directory? Merging will make it to where all the things that someone new to ZB/IF needs, are there, in one place. And they won't have to track down a board, that they don't know about. -------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a very good reason why IFSZ was as huge as it was. Because it was the FIRST stop people made when looking for resources. The point of this merger would be to bring ZNRS back to that standard, and to revitalize the community it once had. You can sit and tell me that Outline is doing fine and dandy, which hey, it kinda is. But the point is that it cannot get much better. There are hardly any people theming anymore, and those that are, are rehashing the same stuff over and over again. You need those people, like Nephos, Zeus, and Nicola to inspire the newer generation (All of us) to keep the cycle going. Without that perpetuation, things dwindle, and start to die. Tell me, have you seen something in a theme, at any point recently, that was completely innovative? Because I lurk, and I sure haven't. (Not trying to diss on anybody) In conclusion, we essentially need ZNRS to thrive, so that newbies are inspired, and this elite mindset is abolished. That way boards like Outline can pop up all over the place, as it once was. ------------------- In terms of quality of resources. Outline, Antiquus, and ZNRS are all that remains. Outline's members basically spearhead all theming that goes on in our communities, and almost all themes, are from Outline or ZNRS. You can cling to this, but it won't make the situation any better. I love Outline, just as much as any of you, but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Why don't we come together and restore what we once had in front of us, aye? Without IFSZ, I would have never met the people who inspired me to do what I ended up doing. I never would've met the people I became great friends with, and I damn sure never would've stepped outside of the bounds to find forums such as Outline. That community on IFSZ paved the way to a whole generation of designers and coders. How many people can say they got their inspiration from someone who wasn't at some point, staff at IFSZ? ---------- I hope someone posted, so I don't look like a double posting jackass.
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| Gabe. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:07 Post #48 |
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Have you seen any new innovative things on ZNRS themes? Atleast here, Nova, although not as recent, was quite an innovative theme. Innovation hasn't happened too much on Outline, or on ZNRS, so how will merging them have any effect at all? Plus, newbies can just checkout the forum directory on the zetaboards website, Outline is right there under resources. And that's why it's there for, right? To help newbies find forums other than the official ones... It seems that all you are thinking about is the resources, well what about the community? I never go on ZNRS because I hate the place, everything about it is unappealing to me. Who is stopping anyone from Outline collaborating with people from ZNRS? No one is. The only thing Outline has that will survive at ZNRS is the resources. What about the community that makes this place what it is? It will mostly disappear with the merge with ZNRS because it has no community, and since it's a support board, it doesn't need a community. And no, I don't expect you to understand why the community matters so much to me, and perhaps some others on this forum, because you're not active here, and you can't possibly understand what makes Outline special to the ones that are active here. Plus, for newbies trying to learn how to do web design, the first place they think of won't be a support forum for a network, they would think about going to a dedicated resource and graphics forum like Outline, or back in the day, G Force. IFSZ doesn't appeal to me at all, in fact it seems a little too intimidating to join because of all the great coders and designers that would be present, a newbie wouldn't exactly feel welcome, would they?
I can, because I joined the network when IFSZ was already outdated. I don't even know anyone who was staff at IFSZ. |
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| Seraphim | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:24 Post #49 |
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I can see where you're coming from. For this to happen, the staff from all 3 forums would need to convene, to agree upon a total layout change for ZNRS. This would be to accommodate all the key features, that make up each board. As you pointed out, and I failed to elaborate upon, the community is a large issue. I see your concern with how dwindled the community at ZNRS is, but should a merger happen, it would obviously be up to the communities of all three forums (however possible to do so for ZNRS that it is) to bring it up to standard. However. Since IFSZ, ZBTZ, and even now on ZNRS, I always felt that it lacked a category that could efficiently support mass conversation. It was always three to four forums, for basic chatting. For it to work, I feel that the entire layout would need to be re-written as to enable a proper category(ies) for the userbase to chat. Resources are good, and requests and what not get activity flowing. But without a well constructed section for general rambling, the community is doomed from the ground up. I watched this, first hand, as the users in the past had a lot to say, but were stifled as to how much they could chat, before the thread was lost in a sea of other threads. The largest forums I have ever seen (not on this network, obviously) Have medium, to massive layouts, to accommodate everything that they offer, and a more than suitable set-up for general banter. ------------------------ And as for the directory comment. Not a lot of beginners really know how to use that effectively. Also, almost every person you see around you, almost every user you have taken inspiration from, or that any of us have taken inspiration from, STARTED at the IFSZ, or ZBTZ. This is a fact, and one I will hold on to, as I have seen throughout the years. Also, the last comment you made: Sith, Sarah, Delirium, Tue, and a tooooooooon of others, started from there. Edited by Seraphim, Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:26.
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| Gabe. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:31 Post #50 |
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Who's stopping the ZN team from making a better effort of teaching them how to use it? I started web design away from ZN, so no one from IFSZ or anyone related to it inspired me to START designing. Nowadays, I get almost all of my inspiration from dribbble, and I highly doubt that those professional designers are on this network. Believe me, I tried looking into the old IF skins for inspiration, but imo they all suck, so that never worked out for me. I didn't even know that IFSZ or ZBTZ existed until I was told about it by someone on G Force 2 years ago. I have never been active on IFSZ or ZBTZ, or any other official forum on any network and I am decent at designing. There are other ways to find forums like Outline other than resorting to a merge. |
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| Ardy | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:31 Post #51 |
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Personally, not really aside from a few old IF submissions. In a sense though we all take a share in this board when we view/log in. I'm moreso speaking from Antiquus' side of things. |
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| Venomed | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:32 Post #52 |
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I agree with Gabe, If the merge happens, its good. But it will have a downside. People wont like a SUPER forum. After the merge, ZNRS would be a jumbled up place. It is even jumbled up now. Many important areas got hidden from the index page. If outline merges with znsr, many sections would disappear. Even if the merge happens, how would you determine if the search feature is working? The search feature is broken in znsr, but hopefully it works awesome here. Also, official Outline themes may be retired from the theme selector. We won't be able to celebrate outline birthday anniversary anymore. We would have to celebrate zn anniversary. And what about those people who only like to stay active in here? You can't force them to contribute towards another forum. For Antiquus, i think that it would be better if it gets merged with ZNRS |
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| Seraphim | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:40 Post #53 |
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And you see my point. You basically just said: For new users to learn how to effectively stray from the resource/support board, the staff at that board should make a better effort (whilst still being of this resource/support board) to teach people to stray from it. (while probably learning it from the support board). That's fine. A lot of you didn't start from there, and I understand that. But a large, majority of us did. I guess would be my point. This is how the SZ/TZ worked. You started as a Request Assistant, filling graphics requests and skin requests. After so long, and after so many filled requests, you were opted into consideration to join a specific team. Community, Skin, or Graphics. Lots of us, including those I named above, started there, as a lowly Request Assistant. And from there we either progressed (Sarah, Delirium, etc) or branched out and did our own thing (Sith, Tue, etc). |
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| silvershoes | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:40 Post #54 |
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It's a noble enough goal, but the part I think you're missing is that Outline and ZNR have a very different "feel" and purpose. I've always seen ZNR as being for the newbies and Outline as being for people further along in their knowledge. That's not a bad thing, Zeta wants new customers and the new members need to learn. But for anyone who has passed the newbie stage and knows how to code and knows the difference between css and js, it can be endlessly frustrating wading through all the "I need a code" threads by people who don't know what their control panel options are, or people who don't have the slightest interest in learning how to make their own graphics. So the two boards fit different demographics. I'm not sure combining them really fills the needs of either group - newbie or more advanced. At some point, one stop shopping becomes bedlam. So if you do this, it's got to be more than just physically combining assets or you'll wind up ticking off both camps. |
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| Gabe. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:51 Post #55 |
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I agree with this 100%. Just to add on to what Geoffrey mentioned earlier about taking over every forum that becomes successful. I think that the ZN staff are forgetting the network part of Zathyus Network. People will stop wanting to make forums because they know that, one day, if it becomes successful it will just be taken over and put as part of ZNRS. If you're going to do this, you might as well change the Zetaboards website...
...because you are now just taking over any community that has successfully grown... |
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| Seraphim | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:53 Post #56 |
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It isn't fair to throw that kind of accusation towards them. This forum was waaaaaaaaaayyyy more active, and way more busy a year or two ago. If they wanted to merge, solely for that reason, they would've done it when the forum was at it's peak of activity. |
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| Doug | Monday, 1. April 2013, 15:54 Post #57 |
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People can say no. I would also not put the current state of Antiquus in that category either. |
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| Gabe. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 16:00 Post #58 |
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I'm not denying that, but then again, every other forum was at the peak of it's activity 2 years ago. ZNRS was never very active, so merging with them won't bring any more activity to Outline, just to ZNRS, because it never had any activity before that. |
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| Seraphim | Monday, 1. April 2013, 16:09 Post #59 |
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Quite untrue. Even when it was the ZBTZ, it was far more active than any forum anybody here has ever run on this network. |
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| Gabe. | Monday, 1. April 2013, 16:11 Post #60 |
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Whenever I've been it seemed very dead... |
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