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| Chance | Wednesday, 11. September 2013, 20:21 Post #61 |
Dang, dang, dang, skeet, skeet, skeet, She do that thing for three retweets
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Those weren't my intentions whatsoever, I did feel insulted, but it must've been the way I interpreted what he said, but I understood it was more than likely not his intention to do so. I understand that Outline is a resource community, but lets be frank, Outline's fault was never that focus wasn't being put on resources, but, the software we are providing for isn't giving enough reason for new resources to make it's way through. Nothing against ZetaBoards, it's a great hosted software, but as ZetaBoards moved away from it's moment of fame, Outline's resources weren't looked upon as much as the content of it's community by those who were willing to participate. I don't believe what the staff or anyone could do could help that. Look at the themes that are posted, even those that are quite astounding, they don't get much recognition in comparison to a year or so ago when a new theme would make it's appearance and everyone would look at it and adore the time and skill put into it. It's just there's no motivation like there used to be. No one on Outline who made resources did it so someone can just put it on their board, who would most likely never have their board take flight, they did it for recognition of the work put into it, but that's nonexistent in Outline now, and I don't see how there's much anyone could do about that... I'm sorry if I came across more aggressive than I was, and also for misunderstanding what you had said richard, as Tom said, I took it too literal, I assume.
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| Seraphim | Wednesday, 11. September 2013, 20:24 Post #62 |
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It's all good. I see where you're coming from. I do blame ZB becoming less popular as a huge reason for this, but it isn't the whole problem. Some forums are massive, and they thrive on ZB with no problem at all. , That's an entire conversation in and of itself, however. |
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| Sage | Wednesday, 11. September 2013, 22:48 Post #63 |
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Not really sure what to say or think, if anything at all. I never really contributed much or participated in any meaningful or entertaining discussions, so this place doesn't mean as much to me as it does to you guys, but I usually visited Outline every day because it's.. well, just what I did. And I'll probably keep doing it. Good luck in life, Cody. Not that you'd need it or anything. |
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| Gabe. | Wednesday, 11. September 2013, 23:08 Post #64 |
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Bluezone made some good points, but I think that right at this very moment, this is the best decision possible. Who knows, one day if the community manages to keep this place going someone else might be able to take the reigns again, and Outline could re-open, or whatever the case may be. But for now, this is probably the best thing for Outline. Thank you all for the past 3 years here at Outline, I hope that I will continue to see many of you in the future here. I've made some great friendships here, and I honestly feel like this will sever some of these relationships, but they were fun while they lasted. I hope to continue to stay in touch with some of you should Outline finally die out one day...
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| Johnathon | Wednesday, 11. September 2013, 23:33 Post #65 |
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Now this is just plain insanity. Outline is a stable of the Zetaboards commuinity, the forum that outlasted many of the "snowglobe" forums. This place has occupied the last 5 years of my internet life. Everyday I visited this forum if I was able too, I might of not been posting as much as I had in the past. However, I was always curious about what was happening on it. Now, I want to hear what Sith thinks about this, I know he has been out of the picture for a long time now, but Sith is still the founder of the forum. He was the administrator when I joined, the one I chose to support by joining, and Ill support whatever decision he comes up with. If he endorses this idea, Ill support it.
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| Bluezone777 | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 00:34 Post #66 |
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Stacha... you really shouldn't sell yourself short like that. No one is born a leader as it's something you have to learn. That means making mistakes and screwing up but it's the only way you get good at anything. Cody is not a god nor should he be seen as one. Truth be told, he made some rather epic mistakes of his own which nearly got him fired from this board. He didn't get good without making mistakes and neither would anyone else. No one expects a new person to be perfect. Driver on the other hand, has the experience and knows his stuff. He might come off as a guy whose not cut out to lead but I know he can do it and can get serious when he needs to even though he probably doesn't enjoy it much. Whether you like it or not, this board is essentially a general chat board as much of what made it a resource board is gone. Sure there is some remnants left but it's mostly general chat now. And you know what? People enjoyed this board when it became that so I don't see why you two can't continue on what you have here now. If they didn't then no one would care less that this board was closing. The fact that Cody feels like this board need a sendoff suggests this community isn't done with Outline just yet. At least you had sometime to get used to being staff on a board this size. I took my very first leadership role with absolute no leadership or staff experience and managed to keep people interested for about two years. I made plenty of mistakes myself but I learned a lot as well. I imagine it will be the same for you but only if you take that chance. Otherwise your words written here will become prophetic not because it was inevitable but because you ensured it by not taking a chance and trying to become what you could be if you put your all into it. At worst, you will kill the board but you are already going to do that anyway so you really have nothing to lose by taking that chance and a lot to gain. If there is one thing I learned in this life is that life is way too short to be settling for what doesn't satisfy you. Clearly no one is satisfied with this decision so why settle for it when you may never get another opportunity again? |
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| Johnathon | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 00:38 Post #67 |
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Very nicely put and said BZ. I believe everything that BZ has said in this post. You guys should at least try, if it doesn't work out then so be it, but you will not know till you try. |
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| apotheosis | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 02:55 Post #68 |
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wow...this was surprising to say the least... But I do agree with what most people here are saying..although I have long gone from forums to live my life...why not hand over the torch and let the younger generation carry this forum on? Maybe even teach someone like Sith taught you, and push them into the correct path design-wise and management wise anyways this was not what I was expecting to see when checking in on here lol |
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| Darek | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 15:09 Post #69 |
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i agree.
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| Aeven | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 15:48 Post #70 |
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I agree too... they should have tried better to find a replacement. |
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| Chance | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 16:44 Post #71 |
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You have no idea how long Cody tried finding a replacement. This is not a case of "find a replacement" regardless, lets be honest, most of you will be unhappy and criticize. I'm not being close-minded, I'm being literal. Cody finds a replacement, it is very likely that it won't go very far, and Cody doesn't want this tossed around between admins until it eventually just becomes something that dies from mistakes. I'm not backing him up as a member of staff, but I was able to talk with him about this on a more personal basis, Cody was at tears when he told us of this, and so were we. If you think we would let it go without knowing that was the best option, we wouldn't have. And to those who think Sith should be apart of this, I believe he has put his two cents on it, and he does know about it. But regardless, Cody is the owner of Outline now, and when Sith agreed to make that happen, he didn't do it just to take it back. He understands that while Cody made his mistakes in the past like he always has, he has developed into a fantastic administrator whether you agree or not. I put trust that this is the best decision, because quite frankly, I wouldn't see this forum being Outline if it was handed to someone else. Stacha and Doug have both been confronted about this, they agree with Cody, so when all of you say "Stacha or Doug can do it!" It's not about what Cody believes, they all don't feel it right. It's hard to cope with, I do understand, but in the end you just got to accept the fact and roll with it. |
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| Stacha | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 20:38 Post #72 |
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I never said that Cody is a God, nor do I think he is one. However, I think a lot of people seriously underestimate the amount of work he has put in the background and has made Outline what it is. I certainly did. When I first joined the staff team I couldn't believe the amount of time and effort he put into each project to ensure that it ran as smoothly as possible, and sometimes I thought maybe he took the forum a little too seriously. Maybe he did, but it made for one heck of a forum. I'm not selling myself short, I'm being honest with myself. Would you prefer that someone under-qualified take over and drive a good forum into the ground? Perhaps that's a slight exaggeration, but it is the truth about myself. I am not qualified to take over the forum. There is no reason why the forum can't continue as a general chat forum in a non-updated state. It is not being turned offline, posting restrictions will not be applied unless spam becomes an issue, and since I am not planning to neglect my Manager duties anytime soon it will not. All this means is that there will be no further updates to the forum and no new resources, but all of the current resources will still be available. If anyone wishes to continue visiting the forum regularly and posting, they're welcome to join me here. |
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| Tom | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 20:44 Post #73 |
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@Stacha: No offense, I don't think you're ignorant or anything, but it definitely seems like you just refuse to accept the fact that Cody learned. He didn't start out as a very good administrator, he just learned how to become one later. You can tell people how much work he's done - i'm not refuting that at all. But you can't seriously mean that anyone else who puts that much time into this forum wouldn't learn how to do so either. |
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| Esper | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 21:36 Post #74 |
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So why can't someone else do the same as cody and live and learn and become a great administrator? |
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| Aeven | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 22:34 Post #75 |
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And this whole time I saw those awesome orange siggies, I thought Cody was brewing up a beastly revamp :'( Edited by Aeven, Thursday, 12. September 2013, 22:37.
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| The Flame | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 22:44 Post #76 |
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Okay everyone look, we as a staff have discussed this and we all have the mutual feeling that none of the current staff is capable of doing this may it be for personal reasons or lack of experience, that's for you to interpret. We all know how upset you guys are, but none of us feel we have enough time or dedication to devote 100% to Outline like it deserves and we want nothing but the best for Outline and this was the only viable option. If you do not agree with us, that is your opinion, but I can assure you that 100% of the staff here agree with the decision being made and if we did not, we would have stepped down. We didn't want to leave the board at a point where it would just be a note saying that we have closed our doors and backed away. We gave Outline the free will to be what you interpret and left it open for your minds to decide if you want to post or not, it's all your choice. If you would please stop arguing with our decision about how it could have been done a different way, and see through our eyes that it was not an easy decision for any of us, it would we greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
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| Bluezone777 | Thursday, 12. September 2013, 23:26 Post #77 |
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We aren't going to stop arguing till we stop caring. Is that what you want? Is that the goal here? If so then it's a sad goal that says little about anyone who believes in achieving said goal. Perhaps if the staff team let the community as a whole decide its fate instead of doing it for us then we might have appreciated the decision a bit more. We had zero input till AFTER the decision was made which was a honestly bullshit move to make. It says how little you respect a community when they aren't giving any time to give input on a decision of this magnitude. Why should anyone here accept your choice when it wasn't yours alone to make? BTW, locking this topic will cause a shit storm so if you are even thinking of it then don't for your team's sake. I don't know why this is so lost on this staff team. I really don't. This isn't something that's unique to Outline as any board of this board's size and age would react the same. I would be more surprised if they didn't to be honest. |
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| Marco | Friday, 13. September 2013, 00:01 Post #78 |
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They come and go on the net so Bye Bye. |
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| Relic | Friday, 13. September 2013, 00:56 Post #79 |
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Well said BZ, I honestly don't think Outline will last without some form of leadership and updates. To many of us this is the only forum left that we have to go on, and for you guys to take five years of dedication, money and effort into making this board what it is today .. to just throw it down the drain is stupidity. You mean to tell me that not one of you can take the responsibility of being administrator on here? That you don't have the time or dedication? Then why are you even apart of the staff team? We're not looking for another Cody, Joe or even James, we're simply looking for someone to continue to the legacy of Outline. It's called taking a chance and it's the same thing that James did when he passed Outline off into Cody and Joe's hands. |
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| Nick | Friday, 13. September 2013, 02:05 Post #80 |
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Let it go, let it go, can't hold it back anymore!
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In a way I agree with you, and I'm not going to automatically type a rebuttal due to my staff position. Every staff member, and even Cody can say that I, and a few others, fought for this to not happen. I still don't want to see Outline "close," and I keep simply wishing there was a different solution. I hate the helpless feeling that I have, caused by me not being able to do something about it. However, there's not much to do. Simply having this back and forth argument between member comments and staff rebuttals, isn't going to change anything. |
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