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Outline's Grand Finale [Delayed]
Topic Started: Monday, 9. September 2013, 14:51 (15,661 Views)
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A little birdy told me that what the staff members are saying isn't 100% true :r

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I hope you can at least understand where we are coming from, this was just sprung on us and a forum that had always considered the communities opinion, is doing the exact opposite. Stop being so stiff and become a tad bit flexible.

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Sith had faith in Cody, so why doesn't Cody have faith in his team?
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 00:18
Sith had faith in Cody, so why doesn't Cody have faith in his team?
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 00:18
Sith had faith in Cody, so why doesn't Cody have faith in his team?
I wouldn't go that far as to say Cody doesn't have faith in his team. He certainly does, but I think the issue here is aligning the faith in his staff with the faith in the direction the board could be taken. It's not an issue of trust, nor is it an issue of the staff team lacking ability. It's the direction and reputation of the board that seems to be the primary concern at this point.
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I would love to see this forum go onward. I want to see a team that can take Outline far beyond what it is now. But this is not my call to make.

If this forum dies (in my opinion) it will be the last of the cool design communities on Zetaboards.

This is just an opinion of a member who was treated well and well received not only from staff, but other members of Outline.
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Gabe.
Saturday, 14. September 2013, 23:59
A little birdy told me that what the staff members are saying isn't 100% true :r

on another note...

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I hope you can at least understand where we are coming from, this was just sprung on us and a forum that had always considered the communities opinion, is doing the exact opposite. Stop being so stiff and become a tad bit flexible.

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I much prefer the loyalty of the twitter bird, far more truthful.
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Normally I would go incredibly far out of my way to make BZ out to be a gigantic asshole.

After reading each and every reply to this thread, I can safely say that I agree with him 110%.
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You guys have too high of expectations. Keep in mind that when myself, Sith, and the others first came to Outline, it was meant to be Sith's portfolio, not what it is today.

After I left the first time, I came back to a resource board. It surprised the hell out of me.

What I'm getting at, is: What do you expect from this? Outline is what I would consider, 'the last bastion of Zetaboards.' This is where all the old faces come together, this is where codes and modifications are born, and this is where the standard of theming has come from.

Without Outline, we'd scatter again. But it isn't like how it was back then, where a board dies, and everybody scuttles to the next one. That time is past us now, and Outline remains as the melting pot for new members of the ZB community, as well as the old ones dating back to InvisionFree.

There was more that I wanted to say, but I'll expand upon my points as new opinions are formed in this thread.

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The finale on Monday will likely be delayed pending the result of staff discussion based on everything we've read in this thread so far.
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 10:24
The finale on Monday will likely be delayed pending the result of staff discussion based on everything we've read in this thread so far.
I'm more of a lurker when it comes to Outline but I would say don't let people bully you into making a decision you're not happy with. It's your forum at the end of the day, not theirs as much as some seem to think they as good as own it, and they can cry all they like over decisions you make but most will never quite comprehend your full role and clearly think just anyone can do it. Common mistake by some members of big forums.

I find it rather ironic some people in this thread bang on about community this, community that yet they bully and trash talk the one person who has made their community possible. I presume by some rants, they're regular financial donators to the forum. Surely they don't moan the way they do and not even help you with the financial burden of running such a huge forum, which would surely help secure a stable future...

If I've read it correctly, the forum will remain open; people can still come for help with things, chat, there's nothing stopping people still submitting themes, codes etc I presume so I'm not quite following the big cry baby rants.
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 12:03


If I've read it correctly, the forum will remain open; people can still come for help with things, chat, there's nothing stopping people still submitting themes, codes etc I presume so I'm not quite following the big cry baby rants.
If you cut the head off a chicken, the chicken will move for a bit. But it dies much faster than a natural death.... Quite sad thats the best metaphor I can come with.


Awaiting the decision the staff come to.
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No one is bullying anyone. If anyone is doing any "bullying" it would be the staff team or at least some of them who demand we accept something we didn't agree to or even remotely discuss beforehand. This community belongs to EVERYONE. Take the community out of the equation and you have nothing. Take the staff team out and you have nothing, Take the administrators out and you have nothing. You need all three together for it to work. It is sort of a interdependency where all three rely on each other for it to work.

People say that it can go on without an admin but so can a car go without a steering wheel but where you do think it's going to end up?
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 13:38
No one is bullying anyone. If anyone is doing any "bullying" it would be the staff team or at least some of them who demand we accept something we didn't agree to or even remotely discuss beforehand. This community belongs to EVERYONE. Take the community out of the equation and you have nothing. Take the staff team out and you have nothing, Take the administrators out and you have nothing. You need all three together for it to work. It is sort of a interdependency where all three rely on each other for it to work.

People say that it can go on without an admin but so can a car go without a steering wheel but where you do think it's going to end up?
No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself. You're not the one who puts in the incomparable time and resources Cody does to have made the community possible.

Cody's departure would mean the forum loses a few cool features but I'm pretty sure the core reason the forum is here, as a resource forum, will continue to draw them in from far and wide. Quite a few of the staff have said they'll stay around and do their part to keep the forum interesting and alive.

I'm sure if Cody decides to uphold his decision, some people will go away and never come back but going by some of the comments in the thread thus far, the outright disrespect and lack of understanding and compassion...I'm sure those people who would go away wouldn't be missed and turns out they couldn't have liked Outline as much as they said they did anyway.
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lol people don't stay here because of Cody. They stay here because of who was here when they joined and they haven't left because of who is here now. The people who come here for the resources leave with their resources and don't really give anything to this place. A board whose leader thinks only of themselves dies out sooner or later. Without leadership, people here lose the ability to look forward to the future in regards to this place. That would kill anyone's enthusiasm for staying here. I am a member with a storied history in this community and the experience to back up everything I said. In fact, I doubt there is many here who can say with total honesty that they never been on a board I led or owned.

You speak as if you know so much about this community when you haven't spent the time to know anyone. Try making a thousand posts and a few friendships here and then see if you think the way you do now.

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I must say I 100% agree with Bluezone777. But regarding what's been said previously about a prank I feel that if this is a prank it's made the community very unhappy, annoyed and if not disjointed in a way. It's the community that's keeping outline and any community alive not just the staff team. Outline still has a massive following and why should that come to an end?
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 14:18
lol people don't stay here because of Cody. They stay here because of who was here when they joined and they haven't left because of who is here now. The people who come here for the resources leave with their resources and don't really give anything to this place. A board whose leader thinks only of themselves dies out sooner or later. Without leadership, people here lose the ability to look forward to the future in regards to this place. That would kill anyone's enthusiasm for staying here. I am a member with a storied history in this community and the experience to back up everything I said. In fact, I doubt there is many here who can say with total honesty that they never been on a board I led or owned.

You speak as if you know so much about this community when you haven't spent the time to know anyone. Try making a thousand posts and a few friendships here and then see if you think the way you do now.

I've made over 4,000, and countless friendships, but I still don't go around acting the way some of you are. You may think your moaning is helping Outline preserve it's age, which it may very well be, who knows, or you could be killing this community slowly by tearing it apart and making gangs of support and no support.
While Cody may not have asked you, do you think by asking the community, he would get the correct answer? Hell. No. He would get a biased answer of people who just don't want to see Outline go, and neither does he, and that's fucking obvious.

A majority decision isn't a best decision. All of you argue with force and confidence but no thought. Bluezone, if I remember correctly, you were a lurker for quite awhile, with an occasional post every once in awhile, and most all of your friendships lied on your own forum. And you've never been one to measure quantity. What's going on now? You're preaching the opposite to preserve your opinion over others.

I respect your opinion, and his as well. So lets keep this as an opinionated civil discussion rather than an ignorant argument that's being tossed that we KNOW will have no conclusions. In the end, faith in opinions will prevail over whatever logic presented by the other party.
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Well, this escalated quickly.

I've read through all the pages since I posted and still can't think of a good enough reply. I guess that's because I haven't been here all that often over the past 5 years.

While there are some interesting debates happening, I think the forum is slowly imploding on itself, all through this thread alone. Yes, the forum is/was dying but it looks like this thread has annoyed many of the core members (and staff members), which will end up decreasing the time it will take until the forum dies. Trying to salvage something worthwhile out of the mess created when members and staff clash like this is a pretty tough thing to do.

This post hasn't really contributed to anything and most of you may think it is pure crap but hey ho. :)
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Why are people confusing criticism with negativity?
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 19:15
Why are people confusing criticism with negativity?
It's the way the message is delivered. Pass a message through as if those who don't share the same opinion are blatant fools, and see how well the opinion is attended to.
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I think you guys should make up your mind whether you care at all about people's opinions or not. On one hand, Chance is telling us that it's a Staff Decision and it's already been made and whatnot - and on the other hand Cody's telling us that he's listening to everything people have got to say.

I think you, as a Staff Team should - before anything, establish where all of you stand instead of giving people mixed approaches about stating their opinion.

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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 20:06
I think you guys should make up your mind whether you care at all about people's opinions or not. On one hand, Chance is telling us that it's a Staff Decision and it's already been made and whatnot - and on the other hand Cody's telling us that he's listening to everything people have got to say.

I think you, as a Staff Team should - before anything, establish where all of you stand instead of giving people mixed approaches about stating their opinion.
Take an administrator's word over a staff member's. And they could still both be right. Cody has told me a few times that his mind has been made up, but that doesn't mean he won't look at what everyone says, and who knows, eventually may overturn that rule. Maybe Chance was told that his mind was made up regardless of what others had to say - because trust me, my little brother wouldn't say anything he isn't sure of, but I can't speak on his behalf. But does that mean that over a series of events, a better conclusion could be seen? No, it doesn't.

I could understand that confusion, but they were made with hours in between. Cody can take in your opinions all he wants, and still not change his decision, or he can go by what he DID say, and trust me I was there, that his mind is made up and no matter how made people can be, he doesn't want to take the risk. But who knows, maybe the risk has been changed between the time he said that privately, and expressed differently to the general public. Or hey, maybe you guys did sway something? Who knows. Only he, and maybe the staff, know that.

And regardless of what any of them say, by the looks of it, you all will still express your opinions as freely as you want, so don't criticize that just for another thing to add to the list, because it's very irrelevant in this discussion, if you ask me.
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