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Perhaps I'm missing something. Why does everyone feel the Community will be lost exactly?

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This means that the board will remain open, people will be allowed to post in most sections, and staff members may continue to moderate the community at their leisure. There will be no more future development, and staff will have no obligation to check the board. We leave it in this state for the community and the resources - there's no need to lock off those aspects of the forum that could still be useful in the future. Please note that if the board eventually becomes overridden with spam or otherwise defaced then posting may need to be restricted.


As I understand it, the design section will stop being updated by the staff- which apparently the majority of the posters in this topic don't care about anyway. But Cody specifically states that staff can still moderate and the community is still open to post. So is the issue that staff will no longer be running major events? And as to the design section, it seems like members are still welcome to post there. All that seems to be happening is the staff contributions are ceasing and the burden to continue falls on the members. Given how passionate some have been in this topic, I imagine they will put this same passion into contributing on this board so that too should not be an issue.

If a suitable admin can not be found and none of the existing staff wish to take on that burden, then this does seem the most reasonable solution. The board itself isn't going offline. Posting isn't being restricted unless the board is defaced or spammed and staff aren't being demoted- so if there is an issue, you can likely still report it and have it resolved. For the most part, it seems like the board is still plenty alive. It just won't be as staff driven as it has been in the past.
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No one is bullying anyone. If anyone is doing any "bullying" it would be the staff team or at least some of them who demand we accept something we didn't agree to or even remotely discuss beforehand. This community belongs to EVERYONE. Take the community out of the equation and you have nothing. Take the staff team out and you have nothing, Take the administrators out and you have nothing. You need all three together for it to work. It is sort of a interdependency where all three rely on each other for it to work.

People say that it can go on without an admin but so can a car go without a steering wheel but where you do think it's going to end up?
No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself. You're not the one who puts in the incomparable time and resources Cody does to have made the community possible.

Cody's departure would mean the forum loses a few cool features but I'm pretty sure the core reason the forum is here, as a resource forum, will continue to draw them in from far and wide. Quite a few of the staff have said they'll stay around and do their part to keep the forum interesting and alive.

I'm sure if Cody decides to uphold his decision, some people will go away and never come back but going by some of the comments in the thread thus far, the outright disrespect and lack of understanding and compassion...I'm sure those people who would go away wouldn't be missed and turns out they couldn't have liked Outline as much as they said they did anyway.
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No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself


You say you are an administrator yourself? Well then ..

From one Admin to another ..

I have poured at least, close to 2 thousand dollars into Infinity, not to mention my heart and soul, and time, and care and attention, and work and dedication.

And still .. I do not 'own' Infinity. Infinity belongs to the people who call it home. It belongs to our community.

When our community speaks ..I listen. It's the very least I can do for them in return for all they have given to me.

You say you are an administrator .. an administrator of what? ........... A dictatorship?

Because when you say that 'You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever.' .. that's what you are describing.

To the person who made reference to BZ and a prior board of his where all his friends there lied to him (I'm unclear on what you actually meant, as your sentence didn't really make a lot of sense, I got the impression though ..that you were throwing some kind of insult towards him) ..well I don't know about that, because I wasn't present. However, given oh about 5 minutes, I could produce for you at least 20 of his REAL friends, who wouldn't hesitate to stand up and testify to his character, and also among many other things .. to his wisdom.

To the Admin and Staff here at Outline:

Years ago, I loved spending time here, and I went out of my way to support this place ..because I saw the potential it had.

I really hope this whole thread wasn't based on 'some kind of stunt' as some here have suggested.

It is never nice to treat people ..as puppets.









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No one is bullying anyone. If anyone is doing any "bullying" it would be the staff team or at least some of them who demand we accept something we didn't agree to or even remotely discuss beforehand. This community belongs to EVERYONE. Take the community out of the equation and you have nothing. Take the staff team out and you have nothing, Take the administrators out and you have nothing. You need all three together for it to work. It is sort of a interdependency where all three rely on each other for it to work.

People say that it can go on without an admin but so can a car go without a steering wheel but where you do think it's going to end up?
No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself. You're not the one who puts in the incomparable time and resources Cody does to have made the community possible.

Cody's departure would mean the forum loses a few cool features but I'm pretty sure the core reason the forum is here, as a resource forum, will continue to draw them in from far and wide. Quite a few of the staff have said they'll stay around and do their part to keep the forum interesting and alive.

I'm sure if Cody decides to uphold his decision, some people will go away and never come back but going by some of the comments in the thread thus far, the outright disrespect and lack of understanding and compassion...I'm sure those people who would go away wouldn't be missed and turns out they couldn't have liked Outline as much as they said they did anyway.
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No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself


You say you are an administrator yourself? Well then ..

From one Admin to another ..

I have poured at least, close to 2 thousand dollars into Infinity, not to mention my heart and soul, and time, and care and attention, and work and dedication.

And still .. I do not 'own' Infinity. Infinity belongs to the people who call it home. It belongs to our community.

When our community speaks ..I listen. It's the very least I can do for them in return for all they have given to me.

You say you are an administrator .. an administrator of what? ........... A dictatorship?

Because when you say that 'You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever.' .. that's what you are describing.

To the person who made reference to BZ and a prior board of his where all his friends there lied to him (I'm unclear on what you actually meant, as your sentence didn't really make a lot of sense, I got the impression though ..that you were throwing some kind of insult towards him) ..well I don't know about that, because I wasn't present. However, given oh about 5 minutes, I could produce for you at least 20 of his REAL friends, who wouldn't hesitate to stand up and testify to his character, and also among many other things .. to his wisdom.

To the Admin and Staff here at Outline:

Years ago, I loved spending time here, and I went out of my way to support this place ..because I saw the potential it had.

I really hope this whole thread wasn't based on 'some kind of stunt' as some here have suggested.

It is never nice to treat people ..as puppets.









I've run a large forum for over five years. It's called leadership love :# but thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

Maybe I should bully Cody and I'd fit in more with the whiners of Outline +D
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Eh.

You just here to add 'excitement' to the 'stunt' aye? *rollseyes*

Seen enough ..gotta go now but .. have fun Halfpipe! +D



Good luck to BZ and all the rest of you that love Outline. You all deserve this place ..so keep fighting the good fight ;)







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Monday, 16. September 2013, 05:24
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 13:38
No one is bullying anyone. If anyone is doing any "bullying" it would be the staff team or at least some of them who demand we accept something we didn't agree to or even remotely discuss beforehand. This community belongs to EVERYONE. Take the community out of the equation and you have nothing. Take the staff team out and you have nothing, Take the administrators out and you have nothing. You need all three together for it to work. It is sort of a interdependency where all three rely on each other for it to work.

People say that it can go on without an admin but so can a car go without a steering wheel but where you do think it's going to end up?
No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself. You're not the one who puts in the incomparable time and resources Cody does to have made the community possible.

Cody's departure would mean the forum loses a few cool features but I'm pretty sure the core reason the forum is here, as a resource forum, will continue to draw them in from far and wide. Quite a few of the staff have said they'll stay around and do their part to keep the forum interesting and alive.

I'm sure if Cody decides to uphold his decision, some people will go away and never come back but going by some of the comments in the thread thus far, the outright disrespect and lack of understanding and compassion...I'm sure those people who would go away wouldn't be missed and turns out they couldn't have liked Outline as much as they said they did anyway.
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No it doesn't. You're a member, not an owner. You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. And I say this as a forum owner myself


You say you are an administrator yourself? Well then ..

From one Admin to another ..

I have poured at least, close to 2 thousand dollars into Infinity, not to mention my heart and soul, and time, and care and attention, and work and dedication.

And still .. I do not 'own' Infinity. Infinity belongs to the people who call it home. It belongs to our community.

When our community speaks ..I listen. It's the very least I can do for them in return for all they have given to me.

You say you are an administrator .. an administrator of what? ........... A dictatorship?

Because when you say that 'You have no say in the matter. None whatsoever.' .. that's what you are describing.

To the person who made reference to BZ and a prior board of his where all his friends there lied to him (I'm unclear on what you actually meant, as your sentence didn't really make a lot of sense, I got the impression though ..that you were throwing some kind of insult towards him) ..well I don't know about that, because I wasn't present. However, given oh about 5 minutes, I could produce for you at least 20 of his REAL friends, who wouldn't hesitate to stand up and testify to his character, and also among many other things .. to his wisdom.

To the Admin and Staff here at Outline:

Years ago, I loved spending time here, and I went out of my way to support this place ..because I saw the potential it had.

I really hope this whole thread wasn't based on 'some kind of stunt' as some here have suggested.

It is never nice to treat people ..as puppets.









I've run a large forum for over five years. It's called leadership love :# but thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

Maybe I should bully Cody and I'd fit in more with the whiners of Outline +D
>bullying cody
>whining

You're making it too easy to get bashed. Nice bait, bro.
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Sunday, 15. September 2013, 14:35
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lol people don't stay here because of Cody. They stay here because of who was here when they joined and they haven't left because of who is here now. The people who come here for the resources leave with their resources and don't really give anything to this place. A board whose leader thinks only of themselves dies out sooner or later. Without leadership, people here lose the ability to look forward to the future in regards to this place. That would kill anyone's enthusiasm for staying here. I am a member with a storied history in this community and the experience to back up everything I said. In fact, I doubt there is many here who can say with total honesty that they never been on a board I led or owned.

You speak as if you know so much about this community when you haven't spent the time to know anyone. Try making a thousand posts and a few friendships here and then see if you think the way you do now.

I've made over 4,000, and countless friendships, but I still don't go around acting the way some of you are. You may think your moaning is helping Outline preserve it's age, which it may very well be, who knows, or you could be killing this community slowly by tearing it apart and making gangs of support and no support.
While Cody may not have asked you, do you think by asking the community, he would get the correct answer? Hell. No. He would get a biased answer of people who just don't want to see Outline go, and neither does he, and that's fucking obvious.

A majority decision isn't a best decision. All of you argue with force and confidence but no thought. Bluezone, if I remember correctly, you were a lurker for quite awhile, with an occasional post every once in awhile, and most all of your friendships lied on your own forum. And you've never been one to measure quantity. What's going on now? You're preaching the opposite to preserve your opinion over others.

I respect your opinion, and his as well. So lets keep this as an opinionated civil discussion rather than an ignorant argument that's being tossed that we KNOW will have no conclusions. In the end, faith in opinions will prevail over whatever logic presented by the other party.
It's not about getting the correct answer as it's getting a clear view of the right answer through your own thoughts and the community's thoughts as a whole. By ignoring one side, he's just hurting himself by not getting a full picture of the options available.

I haven't been around here all that much or as active as I was mostly occupied with Madads, Hireem, ZNB, Infinite Results, Rapture, Infinity and possibly others that I am not sure if they were open during the years this board was open for. Never said the majority was the best decision but asking them shows respect and a leader who doesn't respect his community is surely not going to have a board to speak of for long. I will moan if I want to and nothing short of a ban is going to stop me but I don't suggest it.

I am not dividing this community as Cody did that with this topic. I don't recall asking for any of this. Anyone else here asked for this community to be "closed"? I don't got anything to gain from keeping this board open but I been there and can empathize with those who do care about this place as much as I had done for other boards. I had to shut down a board that I had taken over as I could no longer bear doing a four man job by myself anymore and I was in charge for 16 months almost all of it solo and that's when I wasn't half as experienced as I am now. You'd be surprised at what you can do when you throw yourself at the task instead of fleeing from it. I surely didn't think I could do it but tried anyway and most of the community didn't think i could do it either as they were voicing the idea it would fail in a month or less.
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So far this thread alone has received much criticism from members all over the network. It's even made members who have stopped posting here/never post here actually reply to this topic. Whether they're saying this is the right step or the wrong step, it has brung a lot of attention throughout the network.
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So far this thread alone has received much criticism from members all over the network. It's even made members who have stopped posting here/never post here actually reply to this topic. Whether they're saying this is the right step or the wrong step, it has brung a lot of attention throughout the network.
This.

It's also gotten the more active members to post actual paragraphs.

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Monday, 16. September 2013, 00:30
Perhaps I'm missing something. Why does everyone feel the Community will be lost exactly?

Cody
 
This means that the board will remain open, people will be allowed to post in most sections, and staff members may continue to moderate the community at their leisure. There will be no more future development, and staff will have no obligation to check the board. We leave it in this state for the community and the resources - there's no need to lock off those aspects of the forum that could still be useful in the future. Please note that if the board eventually becomes overridden with spam or otherwise defaced then posting may need to be restricted.


As I understand it, the design section will stop being updated by the staff- which apparently the majority of the posters in this topic don't care about anyway. But Cody specifically states that staff can still moderate and the community is still open to post. So is the issue that staff will no longer be running major events? And as to the design section, it seems like members are still welcome to post there. All that seems to be happening is the staff contributions are ceasing and the burden to continue falls on the members. Given how passionate some have been in this topic, I imagine they will put this same passion into contributing on this board so that too should not be an issue.

If a suitable admin can not be found and none of the existing staff wish to take on that burden, then this does seem the most reasonable solution. The board itself isn't going offline. Posting isn't being restricted unless the board is defaced or spammed and staff aren't being demoted- so if there is an issue, you can likely still report it and have it resolved. For the most part, it seems like the board is still plenty alive. It just won't be as staff driven as it has been in the past.
This is full of win. I respect everyone's opinions to this, and most of you have made great points. But then some of you have just sat back claiming sides and piggy-back riding on reasonings. By saying you agree with someone, you may not be getting exactly what you want, so if everyone could make a post, which ceases to exist as of yet, that:
1) Doesn't bash Cody's methods, as this board is still open, it's just disrespectful and not very motivating to see people bitch.
2) Doesn't turn this into a flaming contest calling some people ignorant if they don't share your opinion.
or 3) States clearly exactly why what you propose is a better option for Outline. To be remembered as Outline, a spectacular forum, not Outline, a forum whose generation has been surpassed.

I'm ready. So far I've seen continuously "this is better, because this. This is better because this." Not factual causes though, with no examples pertaining. Let's not let history repeat itself. I'm not gonna be the devil's advocate here and bring up that If GForce wasn't tossed around between admins continuously, it would be remembered across this network now as much more than "the board that didn't know when to shut down" lets use that as an example.
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GForce is a terrible example. It was passed off to kids who had no idea what they were doing, and who lacked the time to even do anything with it.

They changed the layout, and attempted to put focus on web design, rather than any type of resources or casual GFX. It was attempting to reach an audience that hardly exists on this network.
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GForce is a terrible example. It was passed off to kids who had no idea what they were doing, and who lacked the time to even do anything with it.

They changed the layout, and attempted to put focus on web design, rather than any type of resources or casual GFX. It was attempting to reach an audience that hardly exists on this network.
You're referring to one instance over several.
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GForce is a terrible example. It was passed off to kids who had no idea what they were doing, and who lacked the time to even do anything with it.

They changed the layout, and attempted to put focus on web design, rather than any type of resources or casual GFX. It was attempting to reach an audience that hardly exists on this network.
You're referring to one instance over several.
I'm replying to Steven's post, that directly compares our current state to that of GForce's dying days.

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I'm not gonna be the devil's advocate here and bring up that If GForce wasn't tossed around between admins continuously, it would be remembered across this network now as much more than "the board that didn't know when to shut down" lets use that as an example.
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I'm not gonna be the devil's advocate here and bring up that If GForce wasn't tossed around between admins continuously, it would be remembered across this network now as much more than "the board that didn't know when to shut down" lets use that as an example.
I dont think it is referred to the board that didnt know when to shut down across the network as probably 90% of the network didnt know it even existed...so i think your point is an overview rather then truth

And why compare one thing to another? Just cause this board is in the same situation GForce was in, doesnt mean it doesnt plan out the same way.

So even though both have been in this position, doesnt mean the problems, positives, members, opinions and staff are the same, there are thousands of different factors that differentiate the two situations....

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Monday, 16. September 2013, 00:30
Perhaps I'm missing something. Why does everyone feel the Community will be lost exactly?

Cody
 
This means that the board will remain open, people will be allowed to post in most sections, and staff members may continue to moderate the community at their leisure. There will be no more future development, and staff will have no obligation to check the board. We leave it in this state for the community and the resources - there's no need to lock off those aspects of the forum that could still be useful in the future. Please note that if the board eventually becomes overridden with spam or otherwise defaced then posting may need to be restricted.


As I understand it, the design section will stop being updated by the staff- which apparently the majority of the posters in this topic don't care about anyway. But Cody specifically states that staff can still moderate and the community is still open to post. So is the issue that staff will no longer be running major events? And as to the design section, it seems like members are still welcome to post there. All that seems to be happening is the staff contributions are ceasing and the burden to continue falls on the members. Given how passionate some have been in this topic, I imagine they will put this same passion into contributing on this board so that too should not be an issue.

If a suitable admin can not be found and none of the existing staff wish to take on that burden, then this does seem the most reasonable solution. The board itself isn't going offline. Posting isn't being restricted unless the board is defaced or spammed and staff aren't being demoted- so if there is an issue, you can likely still report it and have it resolved. For the most part, it seems like the board is still plenty alive. It just won't be as staff driven as it has been in the past.
Except the problem is .. a lot of people here still believe that giving the administrative lead to someone who would grow and learn is a more viable and preferred option. While the Staff believes that this decision is for the best, not everyone agrees. It's like telling people an event is ending but they can stay after it for stuff. Except the difference is that Outline's core is the community and they should decide when the event ends.

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If people are so adamant on keeping the place going and updated after the supposed "Grand Finale," why not say something now? Not just so it can be discussed but also to know how many people there are and what their skills are - kind of like staff applications but without making it official yet.

I think people are fighting too hard for this anyway. The forum will still be here in its entirety (at least that's how I understood Cody's post, and I haven't read much of the other posts so I apologize if I've made some mistake) minus the staff to move things, close things, delete things, warrant warns as necessary, etc. None of the major things will be gone, and no one's stopping the staff from visiting to take care of those things from time to time (that's what the Report CP is for, isn't it?). People can still post WIPs, resources, and can ask for support.

The people who want to stay will stay, and if people really want to change Cody's mind in some way they should say so.
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Monday, 16. September 2013, 16:21
Except the problem is .. a lot of people here still believe that giving the administrative lead to someone who would grow and learn is a more viable and preferred option.
It seems that this too was Cody's preferred option. But from what the staff and Cody have said, the current admins didn't have the time/weren't up to the task. And no one else seemed ready to take over either. From Cody's post, it also sounds like this was discussed at length for some time among the staff. So, what should they do if they can't find a lead admin? This was their solution.
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Monday, 16. September 2013, 16:21
Except the problem is .. a lot of people here still believe that giving the administrative lead to someone who would grow and learn is a more viable and preferred option.
It seems that this too was Cody's preferred option. But from what the staff and Cody have said, the current admins didn't have the time/weren't up to the task. And no one else seemed ready to take over either. From Cody's post, it also sounds like this was discussed at length for some time among the staff. So, what should they do if they can't find a lead admin? This was their solution.
I highly doubt that means no one is willing to step up for it. They just have to look harder or wait and train one of their own.

Literally, they just have to pick someone with potential as long as they're trust-worthy. Anyone can step up to the task.

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Monday, 16. September 2013, 23:42
Literally, they just have to pick someone with potential as long as they're trust-worthy. Anyone can step up to the task.
Anyone? Really?

Way to sell Cody short.
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Monday, 16. September 2013, 23:42
Literally, they just have to pick someone with potential as long as they're trust-worthy. Anyone can step up to the task.
Anyone? Really?

Way to sell Cody short.
That is not what he said. Stop.
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Monday, 16. September 2013, 23:42
Literally, they just have to pick someone with potential as long as they're trust-worthy. Anyone can step up to the task.
Anyone? Really?

Way to sell Cody short.
That is not what he said. Stop.
"Anyone can step up to the task".

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